West Indian Archie

A Quick Intellectual History of Pick Up (for the mainstream)

1. 50’s and before – The Good Old Days (for straight white middle class men)
2. Turbulent 60’s and 70’s
3. California New Age Movement
4. Neurolinguistic Programming
5. Ross Jeffries’s Speed Seduction (an adaptation of NLP for picking up girls)
6. SS Newsletter online – I don’t remember if the SS was an actual news letter that came in the physical mail.  I was online at that point
7. Alt.Seduction.Fast – Newsgroup with guys talking about pickup
8. PUA community with lots of ideas and field testing
9. Double Your Dating
10. Evo-Psych becomes important – Sex At Dawn, Selfish Gene, The Red Queen, etc.
11. Mystery Method develops – attracts following, early boot camps.
12. SwingCat and those guys
13. Style Releases the Game
14. Commercial Exposure – everyone tries to cash in.
15. Mystery goes legit
16. Fall out with Mystery and his camp
17. “Tyler the Villain” drops canned game and comes up with “Natural Game” (improvised emotional transfer)
18. Lots of competing companies but RSD comes out on top by embracing YouTube.
19. Rise of the Red Pill via Roissy/Roosh/Rollo (2 of which were in the traditional PUA camp)
20. Jeffy and Julien incidents – and the villainous aspects of Pick Up are cemented in the mind of the Public.
21. Rise of London Style Game (run after, be direct, be funny, zero structure), and YouTube players – largely the sons of RSD – often use the same language and concepts.
22. Simple Pick Up Guys dumbing down game for regular dudes.
23. 2007 – The dating apocalypse – smartphones + social media + dating sites + the financial crash – people don’t go out as much, guys don’t have as much money, they date via the internet,
24. Roosh Goes Political with Gamer’s Gate and Return of Kings
25. Lots of smaller PUA’s EXPOSED! Justin Wayne/JMULV/Those North Carolina Boys doing a podcast and others get taken down by mainstream.
26. Now
    1. #Me Too and associated social trends
    2. RSD switches over to Self Development Focus and actively moving away from the “dating” space
    3. Roissy Deplatformed,
    4. Roosh and the God Pill
    5. Rollo’s version of Red Pill and Hypergamy – taken on a life of its own.  SMV as discussed on forums has gone from abstract ideas about a market, to specific advice on steroids and “looks maxing”.
    6. mASF became NextASF, the last of the OG’s from the era before Mystery Method, and that forum closed.

So this is the state of play.  The Pick Up I learned way back when is dead for the most part.

Guys that have adapted/evolved with the change from in person meets to online meets – Vinny IG Casanova over @ Swoop.  Alex of Playing with Fire.

Old School Guys that have sort of adapted – Girls Chase. Todd Valentine.

Love Tourists/Sexual Market Value Arbitrage – David Bond

RSD Lite/Day Game/Contemporary Game – Tim at Viking Lifestyle; Lloyd at the Single Guy.  Kezia Noble.

Young Guys that are doing old school structured game, though not necessarily canned game – Saul Tee and his Technical Bible and Gabriel at Surgical Pick Up.  Nick Denton?

Euro/Canadian/Euro Gamers – mostly day game of decent looking dudes vs tourists and immigrants – Fluid Social.  James Tusk.  Valentino. Bradicus.

Ethno Gamers – Indians and Asians adapting RSD/Pick Up Lite – Let’s Get Girls.

AMS bringing in Barbershop style game with a mostly Alpha/Jock Twist.

Nice Guy Gamers – Corey Wayne, Mark Manson. Based Zeus.  Tay Social.

Black Phillip aka Patrice O’neal (RIP) – Traditional Black Man’s Game that leans more towards the Pimp Side.

That’s where we are.

-Archie

The user name is suspect, but I continue to find Reddit/Lesbian forums to be a gold mine of insight.

But enough red meat.

Here’s some Roo Meat

You get a lot of insight about her, but this is a painful interview.  Notice that she can’t really get a rhythm going.  A lot of these are open-ended questions, but it never plays out where she can really go indepth.

Obviously she’s performing and so is he – but the interviewer doesn’t really give her a chance to shine – so she never does.

The questions themselves are good and so are the answers – because you can go deeper.

-Archie

This might be the best video Madison has ever done.  I find his infield footage to be the best in the whole RSD camp – though some of the stuff I couldn’t replicate. (one offs and unicorns).

This is an interview with a balding, older, Indian guy that cracked the code.

https://youtu.be/nhNkmhIV0vk

The videos is part interview, part lecture, and then back to the interview.

So the IRT stuff is pretty self explanatory. It’s the lecture part where Madison gets fine grained on the RSD style of game.

Back in the day, there were lots of methods

1. Blue Pill/Regular/Square guy stuff – work out, get rich, pray
2. Speed Seduction – adapting NLP to meeting girls
3. Classic Indirect – Do and say things to get the girl attracted to the THING, and then she’s attracted to the maker of thing – you the PUA.
4. Direct
5. London Style Day Game
6. RSD – Emotional transference game.

The law of emotional transference is simple.  What I feel, you feel, if I feel it strong enough.

Without doing the research, I have a feeling that this comes out of Tony Robbins. And the Tony Robbins stuff largely comes out of the California New Age movement which overlaps with the NLP.

So RSD sort of mashes this stealth NLP/New Age stuff together with inner game.

Inner game is bastardized version of the Inner Game of Tennis, and it actually refers more to overall self esteem as opposed to mindset during a Tennis Match and visualizing serves. Inner Game of Tennis is why my HS basketball coach had players visualize taking shots when they weren’t taking shots.  The sports psychology research bolsters “Inner Game of Tennis” concepts.

Anyway, understanding RSD game is getting that Tyler/Julien and the rest of the crew use their emotional states to resonate with girls.

The crew tends to feel a certain thing, and then tries to get the girl to feel that, then it’s a question of logistics.

Julien games himself (they all do to an extent, but J-dawg goes far with it), gets himself into a state, and then games chicks.  He puts the girl into the state he wants to her to be in.

Tyler puts the girl in the state SHE wants to be in.

A key issue here in implementing this stuff is that guys don’t know how to access their emotions.  They have emotions.  Tell a basketball guy he can’t watch the NBA Finals, and he will be upset.

But can he be upset on cue?  What about happy? What about sad?  What about interested?  What about turned on?

A big stumbling block for RSD style pick up, and Game in general – is not having access to these emotions.

I said this on podcast with RudeBwoy and Moma – you want to show emotions, not just be in a state of emotional control.  That Zen Kung Fu master bullshit, where the guy’s head is on fire, but he feels no pain – that’s not useful for pick up.  Guys are already robotic and logical.

So going with that, if you wanted to learn the emotional transfer style of game, where you basically “infect” a girl with your emotions – you have to practice accessing those emotions.

With that in mind – Madison basically lays out that in your life – work life, school life, alone time, and family life – there are a lot of emotions that you can’t access.

Like I would like to really bark on the people at work – but so far the lottery hasn’t come my way and I don’t have Fuck You Money.

So if the young player needs to check a broad cause she overstepped his bounds – he doesn’t have any emotional experience in asserting himself, dealing with conflict, or ending it.

So the video goes into using the “dark energy” – which is probably the wrong thing to say.

@24:43 – how to respond to a flake

• How you felt
• How you feel now that she’s flaked
• What happens now.

If you run a boundary based game, there are consequences to her actions.

To be continued.

Don’t know the background of this artist, but the song is on the Killing Even soundtrack.

Killing Eve is what the “smart” people were watching instead of Season 8 of Game of Thrones.

Sandra Oh, (Eve) plays a member of law enforcement that has an unhealthy fascination with FEMALE serial killers.

She’s dating a sad sack of a husband who just wants to hit it from time to time.

Well she comes across her great white whale, a female serial killer named Villanelle (get it, it’s villain, but changed up a bit! – played by Jodie Comer).

But Villanelle is a lesbian.  And Eve…Eve is bi-curious.

The show itself is great, but the relationships are toxic.  And the pursuit….

There are some game lessons in the show, as it’s written by a woman – but also lots of really dark stuff.

This particular song..

Just a glance at the first verse –

This is good.

Patrice on the movie

Both are good.

-Archie

Open your eyes and look within,
Are you satisfied with the life you’re living?

So people are rolling out.

I am not planning to put up a forum on game.  Moderation is not my bag.

Archiving the Site 

I wrote a python crawler to grab my posts.  It was janky.

You can archive the site with HTTrack Website Copier – https://www.httrack.com/

WGET is another option.

https://www.gnu.org/software/wget/

Where are people going?

Swoop The World  – https://swooptheworld.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=3

Naughty Nomad – http://naughtynomadforum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=2

Seddit – https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/new/

Pickup at reddit – https://www.reddit.com/r/pickup/new/

Ask the Red Pill – https://www.reddit.com/r/asktrp

Teevster from NextASF – https://www.skilledseducer.com/

Master Pick Up – http://mpuaforum.proboards.com/

Girls Chase – https://boards.girlschase.com/index.php

The Rational Male – https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/

Things are changing.

Most of you guys know me from Roosh’s Forum.  Now that he’s gone Born Again, the forum will change accordingly.

I wish him all the best.  I’d been following Roosh since the DC Bachelor days, along with the brothers Virgle Kent and T. Ricky Raw.

I thought Bang was a really good distillation of the Mystery Method.  The line/the sentiment that I found most important in the book – “I didn’t change my appearance, I changed my behavior.  Changing my behavior, changed my luck”.

Since then he’s gone from PUA to world traveler/Love Tourist.  He tried neo-masculinity at some point.  Something happened with Return of Kings and Gamer Gate that I don’t fully understand, but that’s when I think he moved on from the guy who meets girls and makes the connection to more of a “thought leader”.

His thoughts and words are controversial, and well beyond the scope of my blog – which is really about how to talk to girls at parties – but I think that’s had a major impact on his life.

I think it was on Moma/Rudebwoy podcast where we talked about when teachers move from talking about meeting girls to self development or politics.  I get it.

Even I think it’s weird for me to stay on this topic, but I’m weird, so….it is what it is.

Book still coming, and now more needed than ever.

-Archie

I’m feeling like George RR Martin right now.  I got at least 1600 pages of stuff, and probably 1 year of RVF, Reddit Posts, and etc stuff I could adapt – but I want the my words to be clear to someone that hasn’t read a lot of what I write.

You can learn a lot of game from women.  You can learn a lot about how to talk to women by reading what women write.  However, a straight girl can’t really tell you how to pick her up, or some other girl.   Usually the things they tell guys are not actually the things they respond to.

A lot of you guys don’t know this but I’m a really shy girl! There was a handsome creature in the gym and he said hi to me, I ran lmao!!! I’m such a dork 😂😭

— Victoria June (@LaVictoriaJune) October 8, 2018

I came across the particular tweet doing research for the book.  Word to the wise – following porn stars on Twitter is an exercise in madness.  1/2 of them are run by bots.  The other 1/2 by her promotional team.  The 3rd 1/2 (these chicks are bonkers) are self serving/self promoting things they write themselves.  The whole point of P-Stars twitter feed is to get guys to send them money, buy product, buy memberships, buy studio memberships.

Occasionally you run across gems like this.  A lot of these girls don’t self edit.  Or they self edit in ways that hide one thing but show others.

Put yourself in this guy’s place.  This chick gets more male attention than an NBA game (not a playoff game, just a regular game), but is actually a nerd when she doesn’t have her warpaint on.

At the club, this chick is untouchable except for the kings.

Barbies can have multiple Kens

— Victoria June (@LaVictoriaJune) March 15, 2019

But when she’s not “on”, she’s not this super extroverted person. She’s “normal”.

This is the basic promise of Day Game.  It takes real balls to step up to a hot chick during the day/in a non-social environment, when she’s not in social mode.

Moreover, it takes real skill to get her out of “I’m going to work/I’m going to lunch/I’m going home” headspace and then really let your personality shine.  On top of that, you might need to convert, more so than screen for immediate interest.

Even when you manage to do all that, even if the girl is well acquainted with male attention – she can still give you this weird reaction because she doesn’t know what to do.

Stepping up to the chick and working ze magic – unless you structure the encounter right – give her “choice architecture” – she will scamper off despite liking you.

Lemme be super clear – a girl can like you and reject you.

Here’s another one – the guy at least got a date out of it

Date looks like my dad. Being wrong never felt so good
by indating_advice

Rejections aren’t rejections.  And the chick agreeing to something doesn’t necessarily means that she’s down.

So in a pick up situation, be it day game, night game, or online *shudders*, things are rarely decided.  Things are always in flux, always up in the air.

Most guys can’t handle the uncertainty of it all.  We’re all Heisenberg to an extent.

And that’s what makes meeting girls so fun.

-Archie

https://youtu.be/fRl5vrUl9Ps?t=2301

Starts @38:01.  This is old school community, so A LOT OF IT IS CRINGEY.  But there are some good insights in it.

Mystery opener

1. Holds out hands – (Grabs the girl’s attention)
2. Hey, First Impression, black nails (directs the attention, and it’s a chick crack subject – fashion)
3. Okay, so get this – (transition)
4. This smarmy looking woman looked at my black nails in an elevator (common situation and believable caricature)
5. Are you a devil worshipper? – He does an old woman voice and says something an old woman would say.
6. Can you believe that (he asks the target, but not really asking a question)
7. We’re going down aren’t we?
8. I thought it was funny
9. Her physiology changes (then explains where they are in the elevator, 26 floors down)
10. She averts her eyes at me…

It’s brilliant.

-Archie