So the long story short is my man meets his first wife in college. Stays on her persistently and locks her down. Meanwhile someone else swoops in and catches his eye. Friend of the wife. (hypergamy in action?)
So far, Beta Bucks.
But he must have laid the game down on the 1st wife, cause she moved out, kept the marriage, and the new chick moved in.
The Setting – College Campus. Seated girl and standing approaching guy.
Demographics – Average Dressed White Guy and Typical White Girl. Both college students.
SMV Arbitrage – Can’t see her face, but they look about even. On the plus side, he’s not dressed like some Vegas Club promoter or investment banker. He’s not built like Nubian God either. (well maybe Nordic is the right word here) He’s basically not a “cool” dude, but that’s not the point of pick up.
Sequence – He walks in, chats her up for a bit, grabs the number.
Successful right? He got the phone number. Hell she wrote in a piece of paper for the bum.
What more could you ask for?
Why you such a hater Archie?
The Goal of a Day Time Pick up
Ideally, same day lovin Bible Reading
Solid # – which means, that’s she’s invested enough into the chat that she wants you to call her because she wants to interact more with you, and will actually text/call/message back to you to make the date.
The only way to say the number pull was good, is if we see you actually out on the date with the girl.
This got posted on Reddit as a something a new PUA resonated with. But any seasoned veteran of the game can take one look at this 4-5 minute video with no sound and tell that it was a bad number pull. It’s in the chick’s body language. It’s also somewhat in his body language.
Given the goals of a Day Time Pick Up, we can eliminate the Same Day Bible Reading and the Instadate just off the time stamp alone.
Let’s get to the dialogue
PUA – Hi, Sorry to interrupt your studies. I just thought you were cute and wanted to say Hi.
“Hi” – social trigger.
Apology before he gets to display personality.
Gives “premise”/shows intent from the jump.
This is classic YouTube Direct Day Game style.
Easy to Remember
Puts the girl on notice
Lotta dudes hate on Sasha, and his style is not for everyone, but it works for a lot of guys that can’t wrap their minds around technical pick up.
Poor Defenseless Girl – *laughs positively*, “Ashley” – *she extends her hand to shake*
At this point, no damage has been done to his claims, but this could have easily went the USUAL way.
In fact, by my measure, this is actually going well, specifically because she moves first.
*extends hand to meet hers*
“Random, Avery. I’ve never met an Ashley before.”
*sips his drink*
(10 seconds in, still not sitting down)
Extending his hand is meeting her half way, but he actually has the frame here. This is good.
Supplies his name – which good technique says reserve that for a free IOI when she asks you your name. In either event, if she remembers your name at the end of the chat – you made an impression. If she didn’t…..
“Random” – is meta-commentary that guys new to pick up engage in all the time. (Other new habits are self-deprecating humor instead of being able to laugh at one’s self)
Other examples of meta commentary (a bit like breaking the 4th wall and talking to the audience)
“How am I doing?”
“You’re not winning any points”
“You lost some points”
The guy is commenting on the date as it happens, so the communication is at 3 levels (instead of just 2)
What he’s saying to her
What he’s thinking about the encounter, and what she might be thinking about the encounter (this is the meta commentary)
The non-verbal subcommunications that’s going on between them.
It puts the girl out of the “spell” which is why it’s not a go to tactic. Now if this is part of your personality, to make comments on events as they happen, it’s fine. But it’s not optimal.
What this comment, “Random” supposed to do?
The comment “random” is supposed to articulate what’s on her mind as he approaches. It’s a “I know what you’re thinking, lemme say it as you think it”.
When I talk to a girl, and say what she is thinking before she says it, or before she can come to her own conclusion – a few things can happen.
What to do with Statements of Articulation?
I can build great rapport, comfort, and trust.
I can also take unformed negative feelings and reframe them as positive.
If you can sense a girl is feeling some kinda way, but can’t find the words for her – you can give her a new narrative. (As Patrice would say, give your girl another option, another way to think. Ideally one that’s amenable to both of you, not a win/lose situation that girls normally think of)
If the girl looks scared or startled, she might be thinking fear. So you tell the girl, ISN’T THIS EXCITING?
That’s some standard game, but not standard PUA. PUA can be pretty granular (thinks back to the NLP days), but it’s doing what Game with a capital G does.
Verbal Articulation of what’s on the girl’s mind CAN be good game, but not this way, and probably not this early in the interaction.
So what we have here from a G’s perspective is a 2nd apology for approaching. First was “sorry” and the second was “random”.
This is the sort of thing that can be dismissed, especially with this demographic, and her immediately positive reception.
Keep in mind, he has somewhat of the upper hand here, as he’s directing the interaction, but he’s also not comfortable in his leadership of the interaction – hence trying to accommodate fears of the girl he’s talking to.
I’ve never met an Ashley before *delivered deadpan*
This is somewhat of a neg or a playful tease, but basically he’s saying white girl has a basic white girl name. She’s been nothing but sweet and cordial to him at this point. But he went from respectful young man to snarky fuck boy in the span of 9 seconds.
I don’t know whether to shake my head or give him the nod of a G.
The Sip of the Drink – is basically not giving the girl his full attention. And that’s actually a bold move on his part, if that was calculated. I bet that it’s not, but it is an example of “alpha shining through despite beta behavior”.
Some would even call this a bit of a neg. I doubt that it was on purpose, and it never makes sense to neg a cute girl during the day time when she’s being pleasant.
Poor Defenseless Girl (PDG) aka Ashley –
*In actual disbelief tone*
Right off the bat, the purposeless neg didn’t land. She basically takes the frame back. Now he has to explain himself.
So what does he say in reply?
PUA – No I have, many
PDG – Yeah. *giggles*
PUA – It’s a classic
PDG – Yes
PUA – It’s the How I Met Your Mother’s of names, ya know. *still standing 20 seconds in*
This is where culture matters, because he’s leaning depp into his whiteness. (For first time readers, Archie is black af – and I haven’t watched too many epsidoes of HIMYM or Friends)
But this is another playful dig/tease at her basic-ness.
This theme of her being a “basic bitch” continues throughout the pull.
PDG – *laughs* – “something like that…that’s funny”
PUA – “So what are you studying?”
Interview question. Can go either way.
PDG – “Right now?” *She turns down*
PUA – “You have the same shitty computer that I do”
Is this a conscious neg, or just his personality?
What’s the goal here? Why make this comment? Where does he go with it? Does he have a plan?
PDG – *in an actually offended tone* “Wow”
PUA – “Is it touch screen?”
So he calibrates by pushing past the dig and asking an information question.
PDG – *looking up at him* – “No” (Inaudible)
PUA – Mine’s better then.
So he doubles down on a pointless neg.
*reacting to his neg*
“Look at you”
So the girl responds typically. She sees his schtick, but goes along with it anway.
At 31 seconds into the encounter – there’s enough sort of friction to keep the chat going.
In my experience, A friction inducing style like this is meant to start a back and forth of EQUALS, not a superior dominating an inferior.
But she’s back to staring up at him anyway.
So she’s “digging it?” I don’t know? I’m inclined to think no.
“But actually it’s a touch screen fucks up because if you get a tiny bit of water it thinks that you’re pressing it again and again…*inaudible*
*head nod of regret*
So he’s clawing back the neg a bit.
PDG – *laughter*
PUA – “But it is fun, I suppose”
*inaudible, but starts sharing something on the same vein*
@45 Seconds, after she opens up a bit, he finally sits down.
PUA – “Dumb shit?”
*in a “I’m relating to you tone”*
“You know, all that stuff”
*In an “I feel what you’re saying tone*
“Oh/Aww…yeah….How do you like that major?”
So he’s backed off from the negs, sat down and gotten comfortable, responded to her opening up, and hits her with more “get to know you” questions.
Has he reached the “comfort and rapport” stage?
Under a Classic Mystery Method analysis, have we gone through open, value, female to male attraction, hoops/compliance, to the male to female attraction and into Phase 2 – comfort?
Under MM, up to this point, he’s failed because he’s basically not put her through explicit hoops to get a clear sense of whether or not she actually wants him to keep talking to her. It could be argued, the fact that she doesn’t run away, we can assume attraction, and we can skip all that “jumping through hoops stuff”
Under an RSD/New School Day Game analysis, Open, Hook, Vibe.. – He opened, but has the conversation “hooked”?
What does that even mean?
She is talking to him. She is sharing herself with him, so maybe they have reached the hook point.
PDG – *shrugs shoulders* “Fine”
*In a rapport seeking tone ending on an up inflection*
“Fine? I like the enthusiasm” *said dryly*
*Extends fist for a bump.*
*Reciprocates fist bump*
“Oh yeah, so exciting”
So this is the first compliance test, and she passes it. Touch barrier is broken.
Touching, much like story telling, is one of those parts of the game that builds attraction, comfort, and arousal all at the same time, all at different degrees.
PUA – “What are you gonna do with it” *sips drink*
Again, the drink sipping, probably unintentional, shows that he’s not giving the girl his full attention. In general, that’s preferable – but in terms of “hand”/”frame” – he sat down with her.
This is one of those PUA puzzles. The person sitting has the power. But the person being looked up to has the power. When you see a throne room, the King is sitting and anyone that seeks his attention looks up to him, like a child to a parent.
That’s why desks, desk objects, luxurious chairs are so important to the executive. And very simple chairs are for the people that are visiting him. Yes, there’s even game in office furniture.
In terms of the conversation – this is more Q&A rapport seeking
But thing to look for when you review infields are the reactions from the girl.
She was laughing at his jokes, but was this girl truly participating? (I don’t think so)
Did she ask him any questions? (Not really)
Did she volunteer things that weren’t part of the natural course of the conversation he was leading? (No)
Did her body language change much? (No)
He missed a lot of opportunities to actually use some pick up techniques or anything game related.
So he gets the number, but does anyone watching the girl think that the number is going to be good?
Even if he does the get date, will it be because of his “pickup” skill? His winning personality? His good looks?
It’s a pick up where he comes in apologetic, and then switches gears to a snarky/sarcastic tone, constantly implying the girl is a “basic bitch” (not my terms!) At the end, he DLV’s with his nerd stuff, but still gets the phone number in a somewhat smooth manner.
I really try to stay away from red meat for red pill guys. There are much better sources for masculine outrage. But sometimes it’s just too tempting.
Aziz Ansari is one such character
So to recap, Aziz Ansari was “Woke Bae #1”. He embodied everything that modern women say the want via the media. And then he had his scandal. To recap
He was a Celeb doing Celeb things at a Celeb party.
Random groupie with her date makes a move on him
He doesn’t give her the time of day
He realizes that he’s looking at a freebie
Environmental opener and quick number exchange
They meet up for a bit of din din
He orders white wine for her, she prefers red.
Back to his crib, and things start to go down
Clothes come off, some things happen, but Aziz puts his foot on the gas and throws three fingers down the chick’s throat
She then writes cryptic tweets and anonymous comments to start the rumor mill about him.
Then not getting enough attention, some random mag publishes her account.
Aziz becomes a pariah the same time that Weinstein is getting exposed and Cosby going through his. (To an extent, what Aziz did was conflated with Weinstein’s casting couch and Cosby’s roofie moves.)
What’s interesting is that the behavior is not considered sexual assault, but it’s not clear what is wrong exactly, except that they weren’t on the same page sexually. Well The Press/Twitter doesn’t really make it clear what’s wrong, and since nobody with game is credible…
So he goes on hiatus and tries to let things burn out. Like your man Louis CK – who’s crime was asking for permission and then jacking off in front of chicks. Dave Chappelle speaking on the matter.
But now your boy is back. Most of the reports have focused on him NOT saying a Brahma-damn thing about the incident. Until now.
The real problem around the Aziz story is that America/The West doesn’t want to have a frank discussion about sex. Those of us that have been out her for a while recognize that the most important communication between potential partners is SUB-COMMUNICATED.
Furthermore, changing the non-verbal to the verbal often kills this fragile thing called romance, particularly on the female side. She doesn’t want to know the details of how the sausage is made, she just wants the damn hotdog.
Voicing every thing about the date is a known problem. A lot of clueless guys like to get a meta-commentary of the date. A lot of newb players like to talk about pickup with girls that they’re trying to pick up. We also know that women prefer some mystery, and in the long term, once she thinks she has you figured out, the novelty is gone, and she gets less attracted.
Traditionally, escalation is handled tacitly. The guy makes a LONG series of incremental moves from the very beginning of his interaction with a partner. I been saying for years that so-called Last Minute Resistance starts in the first minute.
Last Minute Resistance starts when you’re putting on your cologne before you go out. It starts with whether you’re getting enough sleep, eating correctly, staying fit. I don’t mean this in the new age player sort of way that you hear in both PUA and Red Pill Circles. I mean that girls consciously and subconsciously pick up on your smell, your body, and your body language. Most of the things gurus talk about these days have actual practical implication – though the average guy in this community would not put that together.
But back to Aziz. He thought this chick was a lock and did not pay attention to her language or her body language the entire date. When it came to for some action..
He was trying to escalate instead of building trust, rapport, and comfort. That could have been his wife (or at least a solid friend with benefits) if he actually did what the girl was sub-communicating the entire time.
Now a big part of the media brouhaha is that the chick basically said that Aziz wasn’t reading her. She was actually being very real about how to pick her up, pull her, put her into bed. It was quite a refreshing read at the time to be honest. The media on the other hand, because it doesn’t want to really discuss how people hook up, was able to find the dumb ass tweets from people saying “She should have said something” and “He needs to be in jail” etc.
Everyone is in denial.
I think I made that point in the earlier post. But Aziz doesn’t seem to have learned his lesson.
If you hold yourself out as “holy”, all you can do is fall from grace. But if you start as the villain, the social narrative allows you to become the hero.