State of the Community

A Quick Intellectual History of Pick Up (for the mainstream)

  1. 50’s and before – The Good Old Days (for straight white middle class men)
  2. Turbulent 60’s and 70’s
  3. California New Age Movement
  4. Neurolinguistic Programming
  5. Ross Jeffries’s Speed Seduction (an adaptation of NLP for picking up girls)
  6. SS Newsletter online – I don’t remember if the SS was an actual news letter that came in the physical mail.  I was online at that point
  7. Alt.Seduction.Fast – Newsgroup with guys talking about pickup
  8. PUA community with lots of ideas and field testing
  9. Double Your Dating
  10. Evo-Psych becomes important – Sex At Dawn, Selfish Gene, The Red Queen, etc.
  11. Mystery Method develops – attracts following, early boot camps.
  12. SwingCat and those guys
  13. Style Releases the Game
  14. Commercial Exposure – everyone tries to cash in.
  15. Mystery goes legit
  16. Fall out with Mystery and his camp
  17. “Tyler the Villain” drops canned game and comes up with “Natural Game” (improvised emotional transfer)
  18. Lots of competing companies but RSD comes out on top by embracing YouTube.
  19. Rise of the Red Pill via Roissy/Roosh/Rollo (2 of which were in the traditional PUA camp)
  20. Jeffy and Julien incidents – and the villainous aspects of Pick Up are cemented in the mind of the Public.
  21. Rise of London Style Game (run after, be direct, be funny, zero structure), and YouTube players – largely the sons of RSD – often use the same language and concepts.
  22. Simple Pick Up Guys dumbing down game for regular dudes.
  23. 2007 – The dating apocalypse – smartphones + social media + dating sites + the financial crash – people don’t go out as much, guys don’t have as much money, they date via the internet,
  24. Roosh Goes Political with Gamer’s Gate and Return of Kings
  25. Lots of smaller PUA’s EXPOSED! Justin Wayne/JMULV/Those North Carolina Boys doing a podcast and others get taken down by mainstream.
  26. Now
    1. #Me Too and associated social trends
    2. RSD switches over to Self Development Focus and actively moving away from the “dating” space
    3. Roissy Deplatformed,
    4. Roosh and the God Pill
    5. Rollo’s version of Red Pill and Hypergamy – taken on a life of its own.  SMV as discussed on forums has gone from abstract ideas about a market, to specific advice on steroids and “looks maxing”.
    6. mASF became NextASF, the last of the OG’s from the era before Mystery Method, and that forum closed.

So this is the state of play.  The Pick Up I learned way back when is dead for the most part.

Guys that have adapted/evolved with the change from in person meets to online meets – Vinny IG Casanova over @ Swoop.  Alex of Playing with Fire.

Old School Guys that have sort of adapted – Girls Chase. Todd Valentine.

Love Tourists/Sexual Market Value Arbitrage – David Bond

RSD Lite/Day Game/Contemporary Game – Tim at Viking Lifestyle; Lloyd at the Single Guy.  Kezia Noble.

Young Guys that are doing old school structured game, though not necessarily canned game – Saul Tee and his Technical Bible and Gabriel at Surgical Pick Up.  Nick Denton?

Euro/Canadian/Euro Gamers – mostly day game of decent looking dudes vs tourists and immigrants – Fluid Social.  James Tusk.  Valentino. Bradicus.

Ethno Gamers – Indians and Asians adapting RSD/Pick Up Lite – Let’s Get Girls.

AMS bringing in Barbershop style game with a mostly Alpha/Jock Twist.

Nice Guy Gamers – Corey Wayne, Mark Manson. Based Zeus.  Tay Social.

Black Phillip aka Patrice O’neal (RIP) – Traditional Black Man’s Game that leans more towards the Pimp Side.

That’s where we are.

-Archie

12 thoughts on “State of the Community”

  1. Your list is impressive, but I don’t believe it represents “where we are” in any sort of helpful way. Almost none of the peeps in your “Now” section are doing anything new or interesting. Todd, for example, is merely doing mediocre London Daygame, which in itself is nothing more than running up to girls and saying hi, or at most teasing them a bit. Same with Tusk, or Kezia Noble, or a bunch of other people. None of them deserve to be in this list, the way Mystery for examples deserves to be on it, because none of them are doing anything new or even noteworthy. Their inclusion on the list merely muddies the waters, thus preventing us from REALLY seeing where we are.

    Cut all the useless peeps out, and then we can begin to see where we are.

  2. And you left out Krauser entirely–the king of bullshit game. Not bullshitting the girls–that’s real game. The king of bullshitting himself (that he is an “alpha”, a “bad boy”, “p-selected”, and so on).

    That is a far more noteworthy development than anything half the useless people on your list have to show for their efforts.

      1. You don’t like GLL either? And you like Kezia Noble? A chick that has never picked up a chick in her life, let alone fucked her? Kezia Noble has given more to the scene than GLL and Krauser?

        Think about that, Archie. Shit’s not logical at all.

  3. Sexual Market Value Arbitrage? Keeeyrist Archie, wth happened?

    I came in around the Alt.Seduction.Fast days, dipped out in a blaze of denialism around the time of Niel Strauss and when I got back in 2008 everything was weird and political.

    1. It went from guys trading walk up and mack stories, having good dates that made it easy to hook up – to long screeds about feminism, Republican/Libertarian talking points, and just slid down from there.

  4. WIA, how would you sum up effective gaming for the modern day?
    Even though attraction and seduction remain primal, we moved a long way from the Mystery Method/Conventional Pickup.

    I feel like what was once the Standard Game – Attract-Comfort-Logistic-Seduction has changed quite a bit, and its hard to adapt without having a roadmap of what good game is supposed to look like.

    Would love to hear your thoughts,

  6. any thoughts Andrew Cobra Tate’s methods. Prior to retirement McQueen unofficially passed the torch to his homie Tate.

    Crowned the 2018 Red Pill Champion for all the dominance he has over his girlfriends & punishment he ruthlessly dishes out when they displease him.

    Full blown natural but very calculating and strategic towards women. An absolute contradiction of tyler’s portrayal of naturals.

    Only man in the industry who consistently bags 8’s+. Shows receipts consistently has pics of them together with their faces shown. Comes off convincing unlike goofball Wayne

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