You guys know that I’m obsessed with the history of the community. Man has been chasing woman since we climbed out of the primordial ooze. But when men were finally able to come together and compare notes, the community really started.
When I got into this, tail end of the 90’s, these were the norms
- A man could talk to a woman in the street
- He didn’t have crippling Approach Anxiety
- He would flatter and be direct
- It was not looked down upon to talk to strangers
- He didn’t know what to say
- He had dates. He had girlfriends
- What he didn’t have? Sex on a timetable that he wanted
This was the average frustrated chump. Though America has been getting fatter over the decades, 20 years ago, most men weren’t considered overweight much less obese.
The AFC? He worked out. He made money. He could still get a job making money. The idea of moving back home to live with his parents was poisonous.
The AFC could expect to get lucky 5-6 times in his life. Maybe a few more. But he was gonna settle down with a cutie.
I was the AFC. You were. We all were. Frustration came from taking a girl out for weeks on end to get to 2nd base.
And then things changed. It’s not that guys weren’t trying to crack the enigma of female behavior. Guys will continue to.
The internet happened. Now guys were comparing notes. Speed Seduction and NLP was the rage when I got in. Ross Jeffries, Maniac, Tokyo Pua, ToeCutter, MrSex4UNYC….countless other names. Style and Mystery hadn’t taken over. There were plenty of ideas and schools of thought. The important part of that era was that information was free and guys were field testing.
What we/they knew at the time
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- Money didn’t matter that much. It didn’t determine right now, or 3 months later.
- Working out and being muscular, as many guys were, wasn’t the determining factor.
- How you made the girl feel was the factor
Fast Forward 20 years.
- Girls no longer see themselves as special flowers with something to protect.
- Even more so than the 90’s/early 00’s, they have their own money, but at least in the B market money matters
- A Market – College 18-22/23
- B Market – Early Career – 24-26
- C Market – We’d better get married asap 27-32
- D Market – WE REALLY BETTER GET MARRIED – Up to 36
- E Market – If she’s 36 and still hot, standards are high
- Obesity is on the rise, and being in shape, being muscular, being cut, being jacked is not the norm.
- She is getting 24/7 validation from her phone.
Are the assumptions of 20 years ago that most of the game was based on, still valid?
It seems that we are returning to AFC Game. For the average guy, it really does seem like intra-personal skills/good socialization have taken a back seat to body fat percentage and the fact that you hold a job. That gets guys in the running, whereas 20 years ago, it was expected.
So is the need for spectacular gift of gab, framing, non-verbal communication mastery gone?
Saw a post by an incel that larped on a dating app and recorded his phone conversation with a girl on tinder. She was telling him about a 14 year old hockey player she met that had a bet with his friends to see who could bag the most girls before 2020. This 5’11” 14 year old had shown her his phone and he apparently had 50 girls, with video on his phone of the girls sucking his dick, all with snapchat convos and everything.
Smartphones have changed the game, and guys are still out there writing about seduction and post-wall women like it’s 2004. All that stuff is already known, if you want to know how to seduce a woman you already have as much information available to you on the internet as you could possibly handle. But “game” and being a player in the modern era are two completely different things.